Thank you to all of you who helped
put this nonsense to rest. If he
does not get it--he never will.
Respectfully,
The Wanderer
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Let's just get something straight about 1975.
by WTFBBQPWNT innobody ever said that the end was coming in 1975.. all the hype about this date that has continued all the way down through today came from a talk in the early 70's by fred franz.
in this talk, franz pointed out the significance of the 7 creative days and how they correspond with 1,000-year time intervals.. he then said, "could the end come in 1975?
there's so much wrong with jehovah's witnesses from their rigid legalism to their faux love, but let's call a spade a spade about the 1975 thing..
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Let's just get something straight about 1975.
by WTFBBQPWNT innobody ever said that the end was coming in 1975.. all the hype about this date that has continued all the way down through today came from a talk in the early 70's by fred franz.
in this talk, franz pointed out the significance of the 7 creative days and how they correspond with 1,000-year time intervals.. he then said, "could the end come in 1975?
there's so much wrong with jehovah's witnesses from their rigid legalism to their faux love, but let's call a spade a spade about the 1975 thing..
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The argument can be made that the Society
did or did not say that the end would come
in 1975.
However, there are plenty of individuals on
this board who could testify that the Society
implied that 1975, would be the end of this
system of things in a number of ways.
I am sure you will receive certain proofs
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Your Time Spent in Therapy, while you were a Jehovah's Witness and After
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may not wish to discuss, but nevertheless it does not lessen its.
importance.. recalling my time spent with a therapistthe watchtower tended to look down on individuals.
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Your Time Spent in Therapy as one of Jehovah's Witnesses
This is one of those ultra sensitive issues that individuals may or
may not wish to discuss, but nevertheless it does not lessen its
importance.Recalling my Time Spent with a Therapist
The Watchtower tended to look down on individuals
who consulted or talked to a therapist. So, my feelings
of guilt were overwhelming.
Personally, I thought to myself that I was sinning against
God by taking such a course. After two months of therapy,
I stopped attending sessions because of the guilt factor.The Reasons for having to see a Therapist
Being in the Kingdom Hall used to produce terrible
guilt in my estimation. The times that were the happ-
iest for me was when I was not there. I recall feeling
good before attending a meeting and then feeling
guilty or depressed soon after.What about your experiences?
Did you have feelings of guilt or worthlessness,
feeling that you did not measure up to the organ-
izations standards?
Did you attend therapy or cult "boot camp" sessions
in order to get your emotions under control?
What feelings did you have that persisted while
you were either in the organization or outside of it?Please add your commentary to this open-minded
discussion so that all may benefit.Respectfully,
The Wanderer
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Can you recall when a householder placed a seed of doubt within you ?
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" those words still ring out loud.
this incident never left me either and.
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The Seeds of Doubt that were Placed by Householders in Field Service
Advertise the king and his kingdom,"Advertise", "Advertise", "Advertise." Those words still ring out loud
in my mind from time to time. This was one of those slogans that was used years ago at a district con-
vention of Jehovah's Witnesses. It was broadcast to the masses at assemblies to encourage the door
to door field service work.Two Incidents that Left Me Questioning Myself out in Field Service
The first time I encountered an "apostate" in field service, she shook my confidence in what
I was doing out in field service. Recalling her words she uttered, " In order to be a good
Jehovah's Witness you have to think exactly like them." Firing back, my reply was " No you
don't " and then she fired back saying " I studied at one time and I was not allowed to do or
think for myself." It dawned on me that she was an "apostate" and so I wished her a nice
day and left. Her words did not leave me though.The Second Incident Left Me Doubting as Well
The second time was when I encountered a man from Germany who was very upset with
Jehovah's Witnesses and he uttered in his very heavy German accent " Zay, break my
family up, zees Jehovah Witness." He was very animated in the discussion but he made
his point very clear through out the discussion. This incident never left me either and
created about as much doubt about what I was doing as the first incident .What about you ?
1.) Can you recall an incident or two that made you think about what you were doing?
2.) Was there ever a time that you could recall in which the householder made a good
point but you were reluctant to give them credit for it?
3.) How many experiences did you have which made you question yourself or the organization?Will you please post your experiences to help aid
others and expand upon this topic of conversation.Respectfully,
The Wanderer
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When are ex-jws/Apostates going to get on with their lives?
by booker-t ini went to a ex-jw's potluck the other day and it will be my last time going.
there were about 20 ex-jw's there just bashing the watchtower society for 2 hours.
i had all i could take and left.
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Dear Booker T:
The questions you raise regarding this topic are understandable.
However, it must be remembered that there are two sides to every
story.
True, the former Jehovah's Witnesses bash the Watchtower
frequently; and perhaps should move on with there lives.
On the other hand, many of these people gave everything of their
lives to this organization only to find out that the organization
is a big scam.
The feelings of being deceived, lied to, and taken advantage of, can
sometimes last years, even a lifetime.
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The Little Children Cry Out For Justice ... Watchtower Discussion
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claiming that there were child molestation cases in-.
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The Article Appears in the Local Newspaper
A few years ago, there appeared a newspaper article
claiming that there were child molestation cases in-
volving the Watchtower Society.Recalling Some of the Points
After having read the article my thoughts concerning it
were—"that is probably apostate propaganda de-
signed to discredit the Society."Finding Out it was Real
After having the good fortune of finding websites
such as this one; the truth regarding the matter
turned out to be real.The Little Children Cry Out for Justice
Some years have gone by since the scandal
first surfaced some years ago. And there are
a number of questions that need an answer.- Does anyone have any recent updates as to what is happening ?
- Can anyone offer reminders as to how this whole matter began ?
- Would anyone care to offer any information regarding this matter ?
Please provide your input regarding this important matter to help
others come into a clearer understanding of this issue.Respectfully,
The Wanderer
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Dear Slimboy:
Auldsoul would love to have
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Your View of "Worldly" People as a Jehovah's Witness ... Then and Now
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love our fellowman and we showed this "act of love" through our preaching.
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Your view of "worldly" people as a Jehovah's Witness
Being in the organization was unique, in the sense, that we were told to
love our fellowman and we showed this "act of love" through our preaching
activity.How "worldly" people were depicted in the magazines
It was always note worthy how the Society depicted individuals who
were considered the "outsiders" of the organization. More often than
not, they were depicted as drug addicts, drunks, loose, immoral or
just plain unkempt and contemptible.
The only other occasions that I can recall in which they were depicted
in a positive light is if they were affiliated with some sort of authority
structure like the United Nations or were in some kind of agreement
with the Society.An heir of superiority
Personally, I found myself hating or having contempt for "worldly
people" based on this constant "educational drilling." Many times
I felt as though I were somehow superior or "better" than they were
because I had the "truth." Now, I work hard everyday to try and over-
come this brainwashing propaganda.It created a major conflict in my mind
As formerly mentioned, the "worldly people" were depicted as no
good and worthless; yet it produced a major conflict in my mind
because I was told that by preaching to them, this was actually
constituting an act of love and henceforth "saving their lives."Questions for the audience
- As a Witness did you feel a contempt for "worldly people" ?
- In your own mind did this create an environment of "us"
verses "them" ? - How did you get over this psychological brainwashing ?
Or did you get over it ?
Please post your thoughts to this serious discussion so that all
can benefit.Respectfully,
The Wanderer
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..Pearls of Wisdom..
by OUTLAW inwe learn a great deal from fellow posters.....soothsayers,naysayers and the occasional goof..sages on pages,with a passion for truth..speak truthfully and the truth will become clear..what pearls of wisdom,have you gathered from here?
...outlaw
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Dear Outlaw:
I get the fact that your posts are
getting better with each passing
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How did you feel when you found out Jehovah's Witnesses were a cult?
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me about being one of jehovah's witnesses and.
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Finding Out Jehovah's Witnesses were a Cult
On a number of occasions individuals would warn
me about being one of Jehovah's Witnesses and
say that the religion was really a cult.
Having been in the "truth" at the time, my feelings
were that they were either prejudiced or mislead by
Satan and were trying to mislead me.Never Investigated what a Cult really was
Do to ignorance and a lack of interest regarding
the topic of cults, I never really pursued the sub-
ject.
My opinion of cults, were individuals, who dress-
ed strangely, led strange lives and followed their
leader.Never in a Million years
When it finally dawned on me that the Watch-
tower and Jehovah's Witnesses were a cult,
my first reaction was " that can't be, these
people are too nicely dressed."Credit the Freeminds Website
From my viewpoint, all the credit has to go
to Randy Watters and his website Freeminds.
org; truthfully,that website educated me—and
still does.What about yourself?
1.) What was your initial reaction on finding out
that the Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses
were a cult?2.) Did you believe it was a cult?
3.) What research did you do in order to prove
whether or not the Witnesses were a cult?Please add your commentary to expand upon
this open-minded topic of discussion.Respectfully,
The Wanderer
